SERIOUSLY???
Come on now, is this really the way to channel your frustrations and anger? At first it made me sad to hear people spew hatred toward the Mormon church, but now its making me FURIOUS! How dare people deface and trample our sacred temple grounds trying to intimidate our faithful members??? The LDS church wasn't the ONLY institution to vote YES on Prop 8, nor can they be held RESPONSIBLE for anti-gay sentiments. The Church is just doing what they always do: striving to protect its views on family and marriage. Its extremely unfortunate that people are suddenly attacking the LDS community.
I am a proud Mormon, but I voted NO on Prop 8. I don't wish to divulge my argument because its meaningless to anyone but myself at this point, but I still respect the doctrine of my church and it hurts me to hear people that I thought were friends of mine speak ill of the LDS church. The Anti-8 protesters think they are making a difference with their silly marches and clever signs, but they are just making themselves look bad. I have many gay friends, and I can sympathize with their disappointment, but you can't fight hate with more hate.
Did you hear about the suspicious white-powder-laced envelopes sent to church officials in Salt Lake and Los Angeles? WTF??? People are sick freaks!
And did you hear that the Sundance Film Festival, held annually in beautiful Park City, Utah, is anticipating a vicious boycott?? Apparently the owner of the main cinemaplex that hosts viewings of independent films donated a huge sum of money to Yes On 8. And that the angry underground gays are poised to launch a boycott against UTAH in general??? Ok, that makes a lot of sense. People in Utah didn't even VOTE on Prop 8!! Again, WTF??????????
I am just so disgusted with people. So much hate.
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it's kinda funny; i saw lots of signs saying "No to H8!" and yet, it seems like the hate is coming more from the No on 8 crowd...
I agree with you on the fact that these protesters are being hypocritical. They are just looking for someone to blame for the way things turned out. I don't really understand why you are against Prop 8 if you are a proud Mormon. We believe VERY strongly that marriage is ordained of God and that it is between a man and a woman. But you are right, you are entitled to your opinion and you don't have to divulge them if you don't want to.
in an attempt to play devils advocate - mormons, whether or individuals or groups associated with church, donated at least 40% - and some figures putting it as high as 77% - of the money to fund the yes on 8 campaign. thats staggering compared to the amounts from multiple groups that make up the rest, even the largest other primary backer, the catholic church, was something like 5% of it...
on top of that, mormons make up 2% of california's population, and an overwhelming amount of that money came from out of state.
that also on top of the fact that the mormon church made up nearly 90% of the calling, door to door canvassing and get out the vote volunteers...
i dont think that the hatred leveled at them should be so publicly virulent, and expressed in such ways, but i can fully understand why its there - without the mormon church, it wouldnt have passed, as the leaders of the campaign have publicly stated.
i dont think any of the other people should be given a free pass, the catholic church and various christian orgs that dontated should be called out as well. BUT i do think that the mormons are not being unjustly criticized for their large part they played in passing it. like i said, i dont think it should be so violent. but i dont think they shouldnt be singled out as the largest contributor to the removal of a civil right from a group of people...
Ok, but hating people who don't agree with you, and using the "fact" that their disagreement is due to hate is Not acceptable. Frankly, it probably does more harm than good, given that people on the fence will be less inclined to support the actively, publicly, virulently hateful group than a group who puts forth money out of their pockets to fund a cause they believe in.
You are borrowing a rhetorical ploy from the Ku Klux Klan. You are saying that it is hateful to speak out against hatred.
Just because you're speaking out against hate doesn't mean you're not being hateful. Just because it's an argument used by the KKK doesn't mean it's wrong.
Also, You're presuming that simply wishing to continue millennia of cross cultural tradition, dating back to its beginning, is Hateful. Hate vs Hate can be acceptable. Hate vs anything else?
And, y'know, I'm not aware of any riots by the Yes on 8 folks...
thanks for all of your thought provoking comments.
Yes, the Mormon church MEMBERS (not the Church itself) HEAVILY funded the "Yes on 8" campaign, but the Mormon citizens of California are the MINORTIY, and seeing that the Prop BARELY passed, it just means either not enough people voted, or really, the slight majority of Californians are against gay marriage.
And how is that the LDS church's FAULT??
Nobody should be criticized for their beliefs. The preservation of marriage between a man and a woman has ALWAYS been a church standard. The members who were able to give money and door-to-door campaign support were just using their constitutional rights to express themselves. Oh, and not in a hateful way by bashing the opponent.
No one said it is hateful to speak out against hatred! You are twisting people's words. And there's nothing wrong with using rhetoric to get your point across effectively.
*Sigh*
Oh, and to Jessie, my sister:
Dude, stop being so preachy! You don't think I am AWARE of church doctrine?? And you have no right to question the validity of my pride in the church, Oops, now you are going to call me out on being prideful.
Whatever.
I knew you wouldn't just comment on the subject, but on the one line that said I voted No on 8.
Tolerance of others who will NEVER adopt Mormon beliefs in this lifetime includes allowing them to pursue happiness in marriage. Its not my way of life, but who am I to force my beliefs on others?
The LDS church unfortunately was the catalyst, sending out a 4 paragraph note to be read each week at services in every church, urging members to contribute, volunteer, etc to help it pass. thats what led to the HUGE # of individual members giving SO much to make it happen.
it was that push, by the church it self that the leader of the yes on 8 campaign said himself "was what put us over the top"
also, to me its even more egregious, that a church would call on its members who primarily live out of state to influence an election that doesnt directly effect them. and if it does becuase "marriage needs to be saved everywhere," then why bother, its already been ruined by hawaii, connecticut, mass. etc...? i dunno.
what makes me particularly upset is the campaign that was funded was so dishonest, based on fear mongering politics, and exploitative of children and our paternalism toward them in society.
if it had been just "protect marriage" it wouldve lost, but the campagin instead was "oh my god theyre going to turn our kids into gays!" i thought that was pretty despicable. and that has no bearing on the church really, but the fact that so many people put their money behind something that really wasnt represenative of the real reasons they were doing it for is really sad. and frustrating for those trying to dispel the outright lies that were promulgated by the yes on 8 campaign.
and...
i dont know what allt he hate stuff was about, there were so many hating hates in those comments i dont know whats going on. i never said anything about hate if that was directed at me... anyways
there are other reasons it passed too - like 40% voter turnout in SF, an influx of conservative minorites out for barack, but overall - the biggest deciding factor in its passage was the support of the lds church, in influencing its members to do what they can to pass it.
Personally im sad, there are countless stories of middle class mormon families giving insane amounts of money that they really couldnt afford to give, and the reality is, its going to be overturned sooner than later...
no, my "hate" comments weren't towards you, eric, but for the other commentators.
i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. i knew this post would start some trouble, but i am just voicing my opinion, and i am fiercely protective of my church's image.
It's all soooooooo extremely infuriating to think about it!! I just can't help but pray for Pres. Monson and all the negativity coming his way.
thats fine, like i said, i dont agree with the way peoples disapproval is being voiced so angrily, destructively, and spitefully. im just trying provide an insight into what a level-headed counteragument would look like. i dont mean to give rise to any trouble :)
I'm sorry if you think I am being preachy I was just confused since you said you weren't going to say why you voted against it.
I don't understand why you always attack me and are on the defensive whenever I speak or give a comment. I've never said I am perfect or that I have the right to judge your actions. A lot of your actions sometimes lead me to believe you aren't into being a Mormon anymore ( and no I am not criticizing you) so that is why I made that comment. But since you obviously don't like it when I speak or write I will refrain from making anymore comments on your blog after this.
lord have mercy
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